after leaving jw's i have come to really despise religion, and how it manipulates and controls people.
what really irks me is when people try to inject their religious ideals into public policy in this day and age.. modern examples of where the mixing of religion and politics is bad for people is; countries like iran, where you get stoned for apostacy against muhammad, or countries like england where they are allowing people to get sharia law going.
we also have christians trying to get their ideals back into governments and schools like prayers at schools right here in the u.s.. imho such things are unnacceptable for public policy in this age of scientific understanding.
"No arguing Gods"? Have you not read ancient mythology? It's FULL of arguing Gods, even where some would say satan vs yhwh is the ultimate battle...
Sab, you seem to be drinking your own Kool-Aid again: you're not going down the path with EOM, too, are you?
after leaving jw's i have come to really despise religion, and how it manipulates and controls people.
what really irks me is when people try to inject their religious ideals into public policy in this day and age.. modern examples of where the mixing of religion and politics is bad for people is; countries like iran, where you get stoned for apostacy against muhammad, or countries like england where they are allowing people to get sharia law going.
we also have christians trying to get their ideals back into governments and schools like prayers at schools right here in the u.s.. imho such things are unnacceptable for public policy in this age of scientific understanding.
No, Sab: read it again, but with more care. The claim was that MOST social/moral progress was from non-religious sources. NOT ALL, but MOST. If it's anymore than 50%, then your protestations fail.
You are so colored by absolutist binary thinking that you've interpreted what was written into black-and-white absolutes.
after leaving jw's i have come to really despise religion, and how it manipulates and controls people.
what really irks me is when people try to inject their religious ideals into public policy in this day and age.. modern examples of where the mixing of religion and politics is bad for people is; countries like iran, where you get stoned for apostacy against muhammad, or countries like england where they are allowing people to get sharia law going.
we also have christians trying to get their ideals back into governments and schools like prayers at schools right here in the u.s.. imho such things are unnacceptable for public policy in this age of scientific understanding.
RBIH said:
"newton was a very religious man. i don't ever recall reading that god was his motivation for science. i could be wrong, but that's not something i ever remember reading about and newton has always been someone i admired and liked."
I remember he used references to God as an excuse for his working, spinning it by saying that what could be more worthwhile than to discover the laws which God created. Remember, Newton lived in a time when scientists were being charged with heresy if their ideas threatened the Church, so he was no dummy, and learned to talk the talk.
after leaving jw's i have come to really despise religion, and how it manipulates and controls people.
what really irks me is when people try to inject their religious ideals into public policy in this day and age.. modern examples of where the mixing of religion and politics is bad for people is; countries like iran, where you get stoned for apostacy against muhammad, or countries like england where they are allowing people to get sharia law going.
we also have christians trying to get their ideals back into governments and schools like prayers at schools right here in the u.s.. imho such things are unnacceptable for public policy in this age of scientific understanding.
Sab said:
"Scientific progress and moral/social progress are interconnected, wouldn't you agree (think contraception)?"
Could you have picked a worse example to undermine your own argument? Are you unaware of the RCC's stance against contraceptives? Don't pick stem cell research, either, as that's another example where scientific research has been frustrated by religious fundamentalists.
"Also Newton's religious fervor played a vital role in the development of his sciences. God was his motivation and drive, there is no denying this. Therefore it's not at all illogical to say that he greatly affected the moral and social progress of the future."
Just imagine how much more he could've discovered had he not had that religion monkey on his back, eh?
Your argument is like pointing out that a great musician is an alcoholic, as if that addiction is what caused their talent, rather than hindered it, as if it proscriptive.
after leaving jw's i have come to really despise religion, and how it manipulates and controls people.
what really irks me is when people try to inject their religious ideals into public policy in this day and age.. modern examples of where the mixing of religion and politics is bad for people is; countries like iran, where you get stoned for apostacy against muhammad, or countries like england where they are allowing people to get sharia law going.
we also have christians trying to get their ideals back into governments and schools like prayers at schools right here in the u.s.. imho such things are unnacceptable for public policy in this age of scientific understanding.
Uh, Sab: it says "social and moral progress", not "scientific process": Newton was not a social reformer by any stretch (and even there, Newton lived in an age before Darwin, which changed things forever for science).
word is that up to 33% of the homes have a dvr now- a digital video recorder- and the evidence is that they just don't see any political advertisements.. 10 years ago 41% in the usa read a daily newspaper- today that number is down to 23%.
maybe we will just flip a coin in the ballot booth to make our selections rather than try to wade through the negative political/ pac propaganda to make our picks.. i wonder what campaigns will be like in another 10 years?.
Kurt said:
Why would I want to see Obama bashing on Romney instead of telling me the benefits of having himself as a president?
(Timer started on how long before someone's sense of equal time and fairness forces them to take Kurt's bait...)
my sister (not a jw) have a strong faith, so she ask me.
what,s my problem, you and your wife needs to attend.
some church, you need jesus in your lives.. well i explain to her why we do not attend any religious.
Jesus praised child-like faith.
Which pretty much IS blind faith....
Does a child have any other choice BUT to believe what they're told, and to trust their parents? Do they have the intellectual development needed for rational thinking, fed by life experiences that allows them to detect discern truth from fiction?
Basically: do they possess WISDOM? Have you seen a truly-wise 4 yr old?
So Jesus' praise of child-like faith IS in praise of BLIND FAITH, as it goes back to the Adam and Eve account where they were created as child-like naives, craving for the WISDOM that was supposedly magically bestowed by eating the forbidden fruit.
while i am waiting and taking a big break to sort everything out.
i thought i would share some very cool life and scientific things that were revealed in the scriptures.
have you ever wondered why god made beasts and predators?
EOM, the problem with your hypothesis of "the bad things come out at night" is that the animals come out at night for a reason: they are hungry, and are looking to eat OTHER animals that are active at night! See the problem? The predator is looking for prey, but the prey ALSO is looking for something to predate (eat). It's the same dynamic that happens during the day, only at night.
I'd highly recommend you take a basic course in biology (which is a pre-req before you can take an entomology course), and get back to us after you do.
In the meantime, the terms you're looking for are nocturnal (active at night)/diurnal (active during the day):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocturnality
List of "Evil" animals, per your interpretation (and I'd actually agree on the gerbil and hamster being considered as "evil", LOL!):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nocturnal_animals
This is a list of nocturnal animals and groups of animals. Birds are listed separately in the List of nocturnal birds.
while i am waiting and taking a big break to sort everything out.
i thought i would share some very cool life and scientific things that were revealed in the scriptures.
have you ever wondered why god made beasts and predators?
EOM said:
That's also why mosquitos are most active at night. The darkness is ruling.
Asian Tiger Mosquito:
http://www.orkin.com/other/mosquitoes/asian-tiger-mosquitoes/
Aedes albopictus are also known as forest day mosquitoes and Asian tiger mosquitoes. Native to Southeast Asia, these mosquitoes have spread across the globe.
The body of the Asian tiger mosquito is black and white and measures approximately five millimeters in length. Their legs are striped black and white. Males feed on nectar, while the female Asian tiger mosquito has an elongated proboscis used to extract blood. This blood is used in the development of eggs. Unlike other species, Asian tiger mosquitoes lay their eggs near water, though not in it.
Asian tiger mosquitoes can thrive in a wide variety of environments and conditions. They are faster moving and more aggressive than other species of mosquitoes. Asian tiger mosquitoes are known carriers of yellow fever and dengue fever. These mosquitoes are most active during the day and require very little water to breed. Asian tiger mosquito breeding spots can be located near the site where a bite occurs. They may breed near standing puddles, containers, or other bodies of water.
The Asian Tiger mosquito has been found to be a carrier of West Nile virus:
The Woodlands Township is reminding residents to take precautions against mosquito bites at all times of the day.
The Texas Department of State Health Services has isolated West Nile Virus in a second mosquito species trapped at two separate surveillance sites in The Woodlands Township and South Montgomery County area.
The Aedes albopictus , or the Asian tiger mosquito, tested positive for the disease. This species is active during daylight hours. Street spraying targets the most common carrier of West Nile Virus, the Culex quinquefasciatus mosquito that is active from dusk to dawn.
According to a press release, daytime biters are not affected by nighttime spray programs. Prevention is the only effective treatment for the Asian tiger mosquito. Residents are urged to monitor their landscapes and empty or put away anything that can hold water, including plastic swimming pools, toys, decorative pots, tires and buckets. Rain gutters should also be cleaned so that debris doesn't collect water.
"It is very important that everyone protect themselves from being bitten," said Lynne Aldrich , manager of environmental services for The Woodlands Township, in the press release. "Avoid mosquito bites by wearing long sleeves and long pants and using repellent when outdoors."
a video will be posted later today where all the mysteries of god, the disgusting thing causing desolation, all the contradictions in the bible, why god in the old testament seemed so cruel, why was satan created if god is good, how is god love?
all of the prophecies jesus had foretold which were hidden and lost yet being fullfilled the entire time.
this is the good news that will then spread worldwide, and then the end will come.
Shamu said:
Still no video?
Well, until EOM gets the technical bugs worked out, in the mean-time here's a video to consider how God actually favors evil over good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1BzP1wr234&feature=channel&list=UL
